Rory Kinnear talks about the devastating early deaths of his father and sister and the bittersweet satisfaction of playing Tory MPs.
Dave Fishwick founded Burnley Savings and Loans Limited in 2011. Small businesses struggled after the 2008 financial meltdown. Fishwick grew up poor in Burnley but started a successful minivan business and began lending money to individuals he knew by name. Rory Kinnear calls it “antique” and “He wants to meet everyone he provides money to” Kinnear visited BSAL’s Burnley branch. “The basement has a safe?” he asks. “It’s mostly handwritten.”
Kinnear scouted Burnley. When we meet, it’s to discuss his new film, Bank of Dave, in which he portrays a fictionalized version of Fishwick. “He was equally filled with fury and goodwill,” Kinnear adds. He hated bankers’ greed—goodwill toward Burnley, Fishwick’s people, who had been overlooked despite their promise and dedication. Fishwick’s father worked two jobs to provide. Kinnear: “That was Dave’s baseline.” “You’re dedicated. When you don’t see the rewards of your job pouring back through your town when the rest of the country’s progress doesn’t trickle down, when you’re not treated properly, or when you have the idea that nobody cares about you, that binds you as a community.”
Kinnear is a theatre and screen star. He’s played M’s associate Bill Tanner in four Bond films since 2008. In 2014, he won an Olivier Award for Best Actor for his role as Iago in Othello at the National Theatre. In Bank of Dave, he brings calm resolve to a warmhearted film about NHS personnel and community volunteers. BSAL formed a bank in 2017 and lent to Burnley residents. It’s uncommon for UK banks to transfer profits to a local charity. Kinnear thought, “Why isn’t this more possible?” Why can’t others copy this? The film suggests that London-based big banking has gone awry. Bank of Dave criticizes the South in various ways.
Kinnear grew up middle-class in Roehampton and values community. “Homebody” describes him. He still has five childhood buddies. Though he travels for work, he’s never wanted to leave his hometown. He was homesick. “I hated staying at others’ homes.” When I inquire, “Still?” he responds, “I can stay at other people’s houses now.” “I hate being apart from my family for too long.” Kinnear and Pandora Colin have two children. He worked in Los Angeles throughout the pandemic. Six weeks alone. He recalls being miserable. What do I like? I watched baseball.
Kinnear played a Conservative prime minister in the Netflix series The Diplomat. Our second president. First, in Black Mirror’s premiere, he stabs a pig. People continue to turn to him to portray Tory ministers, he argues. In appearance, laughs, and speech, he resembles former Conservative MP Matt Hancock. When I ask him about politics, he answers, “Oh, the hot potato,” like Hancock.
He continues, “It’s crucial.” “After years of upheaval and unkindness, the impulse is to turn away. I can’t control it. Reengage. What can you do? It’s not just about MPs and parties. What can I do? Small-scale Dave. Because it’s not looking good for many folks.”
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“I won’t brag about what I’m doing,” he says. “I think we should all ask.”
“How we can…” I say.
He says, “yes.” “Language and personality turn people off.” I still think politics has friendly people. When you ask what they do, they act as though we won’t understand or be interested, like those in finance. It’s vital. Explain it if I don’t. It’s intentional. We’ll handle it, thanks; it’s complicated, not for you. It’s ours!
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Fishwick’s bank will be more vital to Burnley during the cost-of-living crisis. Kinnear concurring. He responds, “But there’s limited cash.” “Can others make something similar?” To show a fairer alternative than cutting off people… Shows the limits of the capitalist system: “If you can’t pay, you’re out.” Sobs. “I don’t know. I lack energy and answers. We must raise awareness. If owning a private plane is the pinnacle of humanity, we’re doomed. Our product. Success is that. Everyone who sells this formula should reconsider. Consider…”
Do you worry about your children’s future?
“No,” he says. Every generation of parents is worried. Some parts today seem more apocalyptic than Street Fighter II’s effects. Youth gives me hope. They’re intelligent. More aware of what needs to change than I was. Once the dinosaurs return to their rocks, hopefully, they’ll drive the ship.
Kinnear, 44, is “at the tipping point of becoming corroded” and world-weary, but he remains upbeat. What do we want? “I’d rather live optimistically; I’m a nicer person.”
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Kinnear wants a fairer, more welcoming, more cheerful society. Karina, one of his two older sisters, died of coronavirus in May 2020. We FaceTimed her to tell her how much she meant to us and to get one more of her life-affirming laughs, he wrote in the Guardian. When I ask why he wrote it, he adds, “There aren’t many obituaries of severely crippled individuals like her, and I didn’t want her to go quietly.” Kinnear was troubled by the othering of the crippled population, that there were “two columns of death” – us, the healthy, and them, the vulnerable. “Having so many people talk about her was oddly moving,” he recalls.
Karina’s obituary was famous. Two more Kinnear bios followed. In one, he noted that Karina’s burial was placed on the same day Conservative staffers socialized in 10 Downing Street’s garden. On the other, he laments losing “one of my life’s moorings forever.” A review of Rob Delaney’s memoir of losing his son, A Heart That Works, followed. Kinnear describes his anger about the death of his father, actor Roy Kinnear, in 1988.
At 10, Rory’s network of seven or eight close-knit families became significant. He remembers not cooking for three weeks. “Something was always on our porch.” Kinnear’s mother, actor Carmel Cryan, learned to manage in the aftermath. Kinnear says getting disabled child care is a challenge. “The fighting begins when they’re diagnosed and never ends. You must be skilled and persistent.” The irony is that “the more my mom demonstrated herself capably, i.e., Karina was still alive, the less funding she received.”
Cryan wanted her children to have normal childhoods, but that wasn’t always possible. “Karina had an uncanny propensity to get hospitalized on Christmas or New Year’s Eve,” Kinnear says. My mom asked a neighbor to feed Kirsty and Rory three or four times on Christmas morning. Cryan once invited the street over for Christmas to return their hospitality. Kinnear: “They arrived Christmas morning.” “Mom left hospital instructions for Karina. 13 years old? It wasn’t very pleasant. Turkey. Bullet-shaped sprouts. Poor neighbors.”
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Why has Kinnear recently focused on grief? “I’m comfortable talking about it,” he says. It doesn’t hinder me. Others do. I guess being young… Pause. “Many friends ask me, ‘What’s the process?'” Well, you’re in your 40s; it’s different. I’m sorry. This is how I found it.'”
Kinnear thought his father’s death would ruin everything. He’d be sad.
I say, “That’s mature.”
He answers, “People say that.” I think it’s a grown-up experience. And you think that grownups can only make decisions children are in adult situations, they make adult decisions. Kinnear adds, “I know if I talk about loss, people would think I’m Sad,,, Man.” I’m not
“What are some childhood highlights?” I ask.
“In my 10 years of happiness?” he adds and smiles.
I say, “yes.”
“A black veil didn’t cover me throughout the rest of my teens.” Pause. It was a fulcrum. Kinnear’s grandfather, a professional rugby player, died when Kinnear’s father was also young. “My dad would get emotional talking about his dad. And I do the same, still. As a result, I’ve felt an affinity with him — it’s a cycle I’m keen to break.” Later he adds: “That’s the other thing you learn in sorrow, and maybe this is why I’m not terrified of it, is the relationship continues. Without them, it grows. If the relationship is happy, love and kindness would continue. And though you only had 10 years it was a period important to your existence. It is undeniable in your memory.”
Kinnear visited a hospitalized friend before our meeting. “The smell of it was so familiar,” he adds, recalling moments spent helping to care for Karina. “And from my past.” In hospitals, he feels “completely comfortable; I don’t feel unhappy or stressed.” “Funny, the things you become used to that others don’t,” he says.
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While Roy Kinnear was working at the Royal Shakespeare Company, he struck up a profound relationship with the actor Michael Williams, late husband to Judi Dench. Williams godfathered Kinnear. Dench remembers the Kinnear family as a caring one. When Karina was born, Dench was weeks away from giving birth to her daughter. “When they knew Karina was disabled,” Dench told me on the phone with Roy and Carmel, “they got in touch with their friends to tell them not to inform us so that we wouldn’t be concerned. So sweet! It tells something about that family.”
Dench and Kinnear communicate. About her Kinnear quips, “There’s not many people that give her a slagging. And I’d like to be the first…” Then he goes on, “Mike was my godfather, so it was good, when he passed away, that we got to spend that time together and to get on as well as we did.” He’s referring to Bond. The pair played scrabble to kill time on set and several other word games “to keep ourselves amused while things were being blown up in the background.”
I ask if they still see each other.
“We write to each other,” he says.
Kinnear adds, “Oh, no, she’ll come back with something nasty,” which made Dench giggle when I called her. Rory makes Dench think of Roy. “He’s amusing and frivolous,” she informed me. But then he’s marvelously able to be utterly profound… And that’s so like his dad was. Like his father. She continued, “They find absurdity funny.”
This is how I find Kinnear. He jokes when our conversation gets serious. We’re discussing his son as he leaves. When he turned 10, Kinnear “refracted me though him, realized how tiny I was” when Roy died. “You make decisions at the time,” he says, “which linger, which become the foundation stone on which you’ve based your whole life.” When Kinnear looks at his son, who is 12, he often thinks, “I don’t want you to be making decisions now that affect the rest of your life.” He smiles. “He wants me to butter his bagel.”
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